You are right that the incident inside the White House limo has not been proved. Ms. Hutchinson personally saw the ketchup on the wall and the broken plate and was told by the valet what happened. I expect the Committee to interview the valet, who was in the room, and get a first-hand account.

More importantly, as the investigation moves into its next phase, I think you will see direct evidence of Trump and Meadows communicating directly with the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers--this could be evidence sufficient to indict him for sedition.